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Title: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on August 25, 2012, 02:16:42 PM
Screenshots from Wndows 8 that speak for themselves.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on August 25, 2012, 02:35:38 PM
The user mostly hate one is they are missing the Start button and Start menu.
Some people is hating clicking "more" in windows 8
Less people is hating windows 8 is missing function that used by some "advanced" user
For example.
http://xpwasmyidea.blogspot.com/2012/05/how-windows-8-copy-file-conflict-dialog.html
It is useful when having more conflict file, so you only tick the file that you wanna to put on that folder.  ;)
But why they not giving a single click like in windows 7 when having 1 conflict file?
So you just click 1 times to replace, rename, skip(with showing the difference of the file.)  ;)
Maybe this is changed in windows 8 RTM???
I have not testing windows 8 yet, so I will not saying that it is bad/good, how can you judge it if you don't know more about it?
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And this bar make me recall this.
https://wrightdev.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/wpf-ratebar/
So you can using the ratebar in software.  ;)
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And I saw you are copying the wedding video  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on August 25, 2012, 02:44:22 PM
There are definitely more clicks to do many things in Windows 8. It did improve some in the RTM, it is very usable as a desktop OS. Some of the traditional UI cosmetic improvements and enhancements such as those screenshots (and others) backported to Windows 7 would likely be the ultimate desktop OS. I likely didn't respond to everything, may respond more shortly (after I get to the last one, lol).
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on August 25, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Yup, it have many improvements and enhancements, just user are lazy for clicking/moving more times  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: hanemach_gt on August 25, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: BenYeeHua on August 25, 2012, 03:09:59 PM
Yup, it have many improvements and enhancements, just user are lazy for clicking/moving more times  ;D

It's a matter of them noticing the change, and that's the factor of irritation I think. I irritate myself by same fact I have to change my habit because of the change of the routine.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on August 25, 2012, 04:54:44 PM
Quote from: hanemach_gt on August 25, 2012, 04:36:00 PM
It's a matter of them noticing the change, and that's the factor of irritation I think. I irritate myself by same fact I have to change my habit because of the change of the routine.
Or install a software to replace/getting back some function?  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on August 25, 2012, 05:05:34 PM
I am with hanemach_gt, the missing Start Menu button in the lower left (yes, I can get to it by going to the upper or lower right edge of any screen) is something I just miss because of habit. I haven't went through the Start Menu itself in a long time, but just got used to it being there, and having things pinned to the Start Menu. I figure in a week I'll be over it though.

My impressions Windows 8 RTM on a physical machine (both a laptop and a desktop now) have been great. I was not impressed with the RP in a virtual machine, but once put on a physical machine, it is much easier used than I thought. They may have done a few little tweaks before the RTM too, to make it easier for traditional desktop use.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on August 25, 2012, 05:30:41 PM
I am with hanemach_gt too  ;D
Because most of the time, I just click start button, type the software name, click enter.
Or double-click the icon at desktop, open the folder that having the software shortcut inside, double-click it.
And the software that I wanna to use is running now  ;)
I only use the menu when I only remember the first letter/logo or the software.

Remove/changing some function that less used is nothing wrong as you can reduce the ram/storage media usage and using it for software etc.

If I were right, when they changing from dos to windows, they must also say that, why I must move the mouse and clicking on it to running it while I can running it by just a keyboard.
Just like why I need the Aero effect when it cost performance  ;D

They doing like this must be a reason, right?

Edit:Some software cannot running on it is another reason for them to not using windows 8  :P
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on August 26, 2012, 02:09:29 AM
I think we all see the picture clearly and are saying the same thing.

Here is the big lesson to learn: All the journalists, all the skeptics (including me), all the bloggers ... forget what they say about any upcoming software release, and wait to try it for yourself ;).
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on August 26, 2012, 01:02:37 PM
Quoteforget what they say about any upcoming software release, and wait to try it for yourself ;).
Yup, just like someone saying that you should doing like that, and most of time I will not doing like that  8)
A good example
From:http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/2012/05/so-you-want-to-be-a-programmer.html
Quote
    My mom once told me that the only reason she dated my father is because her mother told her to stay away from that boy, he's a bad influence.

    If she had, I would not exist.
QuoteAnd if you're reading this and thinking, "screw this Jeff Atwood guy, who is he to tell me whether I should learn to code or not", all I can say is: good! That's the spirit!
Why they can telling that Windows 8 is bad for me when they don't know everything about me?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 01, 2012, 10:42:48 PM
Windows 8 native ISO mounting ...
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 01, 2012, 10:54:31 PM
Yes, reducing the space/function that we rarely use and adding some function that we use >1 times per week.(depend on the person)
When we lost something old, we get something new back. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 01, 2012, 11:12:18 PM
For a long time this was something Windows could easily do, but they didn't expose the capability. Glad they did. No more having to install Daemon Tools or your other favorite ISO mounting utility. Very handy.

What I like best are the file operation dialogs, showing real-time performance in a dynamic and changing graph.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 01, 2012, 11:22:39 PM
QuoteNo more having to install Daemon Tools or your other favorite ISO mounting utility. Very handy.
Except some person that need the advanced functions of Daemon Tools etc.

QuoteWhat I like best are the file operation dialogs, showing real-time performance in a dynamic and changing graph.
Ya, and you can pause it.
The function that it lost is the buffer of FastCopy(useful for copying/moving file with the same HDD), and the speed control.

One question, did the file operation is with a lower i/o priority or?
If it is, we can copying/moving file without affect the responsiveness of the software/system.  ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 01, 2012, 11:32:17 PM
I have not checked the default I/O priority for file operations induced by the user and operated by explorer, but will do so ...
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 01, 2012, 11:41:02 PM
Thank, but why Microsoft not try to start using the I/O priority?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 01, 2012, 11:51:53 PM
They do for background I/O such as the Indexing Service. I just haven't checked where else they may use it, yet. Again, they leave it up to us to figure out where and when they make use of it, not documenting such. In fact, in NT 6.0 there was only two effective I/O priorities that a thread could use, Background and Normal. Critical is reserved for system paging operations. The others were there, but not implemented. Later, in NT 6.1, they seem to be used and implemented, and perhaps further used in 6.2. More to investigate.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 01, 2012, 11:57:16 PM
I only found some software start using it, just like some defrag software.
The problem is Microsoft is hiding this function to developer, and they are not using it too much.
It just like you building it, but you not using it much, and not letting other people knowing more about how to use it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 02, 2012, 12:13:12 AM
Screencast of a Windows 8 file copy operation, to get the full effect ... a little zoomed, but I'm not gonna spend all day on it ;p.

http://bitsum.com/video/windows8-file-copy.avi
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 02, 2012, 12:19:18 AM
lol
Who will copying/moving the file all the days.
Except the SSD is not big enough to put the most used software/data on it  :P
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But I think it has a little change on it's behave, because it need more time to doing it than windows 7.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on September 02, 2012, 12:29:28 AM
Quote from: BenYeeHua on September 02, 2012, 12:19:18 AM
Except the SSD is not big enough to put the most used software/data on it  :P

Enter JunctionMaster (http://bitsum.com/junctionmaster.php) ;). Also, the Libraries support of Windows lets you set multiple back-end storage paths.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 02, 2012, 12:33:34 AM
That making easy.
Why you need to writing the "bat" code to doing it, when you can use the free software to doing that for you ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on September 02, 2012, 12:52:32 AM
Ya, data is priceless  ;)
If the software only make your system broken, just format and reinstall it.
But if the software is delete/destroy your important data...
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That is why they like to use some paid software as they are very scared of data will be steal/destroy by the free software.  ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: niobehorton on October 16, 2012, 09:24:37 PM
thanks for the screenshots.appreciate it.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on October 17, 2012, 08:14:29 AM
Here are a few more ...
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on October 17, 2012, 10:22:02 AM
It need the AA for the Mobility Center-Volume ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on October 17, 2012, 01:20:10 PM
I still cringe at that app's window , why oh why couldn't they add menus, folder so it's not so spread out and cluttered .

I know, i know its for mobile /laptop small screens but still should of made a desktop version .

Other than that it has what seems like some nice improvements under the hood .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on October 17, 2012, 01:26:38 PM
You mean changes like they promoted the older engineers (or retired them) and had some young guns come in and said: "make this cool". However, some Metro changes are annoying on a desktop - particularly the right-click of a shortcut, which now has the context menu shown at the bottom. I believe I posted one of that. If not, I will. So, to 'launch as admin', you have to right click a shortcut you found in Metro, then choose from several options shown at the bottom. Of course, made for touch input, obviously.

The Surface will be interesting.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on October 17, 2012, 01:41:30 PM
didn't know about that, so I assume no kind of pop up or folders can be enabled in that metro desktop .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on October 17, 2012, 02:34:55 PM
Yep. No pop up context menus of any kind in Metro. Only bottom row 'superscript' selections (if you will, I made that up for right-click selections).

The Surface RT looks awesome but WTF with waiting 90 more days for the Surface Pro. There is no way I can afford both, but I must get one. So, I guess I'll be salivating for 90 days. It better be worth it! I wouldn't get it if I weren't a developer though and didn't need it for that, as cool as it is. As a consumer, I have to be real cheap, so would wait for gen2.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on October 17, 2012, 02:37:49 PM
Windows 8 context menu. It is currently right-clicked, which persists, of course, for you to go choose the option you want - unless you uncheck it with another right-click.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on October 17, 2012, 03:38:04 PM
Maybe right-click by using two finger for touch screen? ;D
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Yup, and maybe the heat problem also for Surface Pro?
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OK, so we can pin it, but what is the meaning of open new windows for Metro.
Maybe it means open new windows for desktop apps :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on October 17, 2012, 03:54:12 PM
That is a standard shortcut, not a file. Thus to open a new window is to launch it, just like in Windows 7. A traditional desktop window in this case.

A file based context menu has other options. They are all the same options as Windows 7, just differently presented, e.g. 'Run as administrator'.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: nikkil on October 28, 2012, 11:16:56 AM
I think this tweak is great but this is not really a huge feature tho. I mean only the presentation is modified here. I still run all programs to "Run as admin" for convenience.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: hunypowell on November 28, 2012, 09:09:17 PM
wow, windows 8 is amazing.

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Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 02, 2012, 03:01:56 PM
I just noticed, by accident, that in addition to being able to mount ISOs, Windows 8 also provides the ability to open them as a folder in Explorer - similar to the way it handles ZIP archives.

In addendum, Windows 8 has proven a good bit faster at boot, sleep/hibernate/resume, and general operation than even Windows 7.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 02, 2012, 03:41:34 PM
I am not touching the ISO for 1 year because of sharing Internet with other download person that using p2p, so I can't download ISO as I like :P

But after using Windows 8 for almost 1 month, I learn some shortcut key like Ctrl+Shift+Enter to run the software with admin.
And nothing big difference except it can last longer than windows 7, as the core-parking park the whole core. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 02, 2012, 04:32:03 PM
That is a shame not to be able to download ISOs. Microsoft distributes ISOs to developers, which is what I primarily use ISOs for.

Ctrl+Shift+Enter I actually hadn't heard of until now, nice tip :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 03, 2012, 04:37:13 AM
Ya, and the UAC in Windows 8 is doing good jobs, they are using it on metro app, so after disable UAC the metro app can't be run. :)
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And ya, the ISP is propaganda their fiber services(watch the ads everyday), but the problem is they are not provide the service at here. :o
Why not use the ads fee to build the services ???
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The start metro style is useful for user that having less software install, and who like to pin to start instead of pin to taskbar.
And show all app can show all start menu shortcut, in whole screen.
The useful shortcut is showing by clicking winkey + x, and screen shot with winkey + print screen etc ;)

Just some change like hiding the Non-Plug and Play Device Driver affect sometimes, like some software has install some driver in there, and having some problem, but it can be using "sc" on the cmd to operate also.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 07, 2012, 12:55:55 AM
SmartScreen filter intercepting an unsigned application. When clicking 'More info' you are allowed the option of executing the program anyway.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 07, 2012, 06:33:06 AM
And it can be change at the left of the "Control Panel\All Control Panel Items\Action Center" ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 07, 2012, 03:57:50 PM
You know, other than having to constantly bypass Metro (which I *never* use), overall Windows 8 is a nice OS. Let's just hope Microsoft doesn't take any more action to kill off the traditional shell moving forward. If they do that, .. well, surely they won't!
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 08, 2012, 01:49:15 AM
If they do that, what happen?
Maybe more than half of the devs/user will not support that os. ;D
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Nice, but still not good.
They still has the bug for the installing apps that adding themselves into the Firewall.
https://xnagamedeveloper.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/windows-8-and-error-code-0x80073d0a/
The solution is enable the Firewall service, not enable Firewall. ;)
And this
http://andydavies.me/blog/2011/11/21/increasing-the-tcp-initial-congestion-window-on-windows-2008-server-r2/
The netsh interface tcp show supplemental is completely dead, just type it and it only show
The TCP global default template is internet
Not
The TCP global default template is internet

TCP Supplemental Parameters
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Minimum RTO (msec)                  : 300
Initial Congestion Window (MSS)     : 2
Delayed Ack Timeout (msec)          : 200

So I can't change the "custom" template setting to icw=10, and reduce the load time for browsing Internet. :P
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And the support of the drivers(maybe the BIOS problem).
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_8-hardware/driver-power-state-failure/e0759732-2436-4c78-9439-e51a05ec85ee
I has the same laptop like this guy, and has the same BSOD of that guy, but it only BSOD sometimes after the "fastboot" function of windows 8.
This is what I get from my 8 minidump, and 1 minidump of that guy.(only 1 from me and her/him is just saying one of the PCI device is causing this)

0: kd> !irp fffffa800a908b30
Irp is active with 4 stacks 2 is current (= 0xfffffa800a908c48)
No Mdl: No System Buffer: Thread 00000000:  Irp stack trace. 
     cmd  flg cl Device   File     Completion-Context
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-00000000   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
>[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa80081bdc50 00000000 fffff88004b381d0-fffffa800c1ef010 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\ACPI nvlddmkm
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa800a4a9290 00000000 fffff801b9f87310-fffffa800b18c3a0 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\nvlddmkm nt!PopRequestCompletion
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-fffffa800b18c3a0   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

So for who has the dual graphic card for their laptop, it is better that buy one SSD and disable the "Fastboot" for windows 8.(or waiting for new fixed BIOS/driver)
And you will still getting the faster boot time, faster respond time, without this BSOD. ;)

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Second time I see him(by using !poaction to find out, badly that I only keep the minidump, not memory.dmp), and almost every times I know it will BSOD by plug in my mouse(and mouse no working).
Quote>[ 16, 0]   0  1 fffffa800a444060 00000000 00000000-00000000    pending
          \Driver\usbhub
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
*** ERROR: Module load completed but symbols could not be loaded for AiCharger.sys
[ 16, 0]   0 e0 fffffa800a46b100 00000000 fffff88005ba4880-fffffa800a43bcf0 Success Error Cancel
          \Driver\ACPI   AiCharger
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
[ 16, 0]   0 e0 fffffa800a43bba0 00000000 00000000-00000000   
          \Driver\AiCharger
         Args: 00000005 00000000 00000000 00000000
[ 16, 0]   0 e1 fffffa8006a60050 00000000 fffff801b9f87310-fffffa800b02c5b0 Success Error Cancel pending
          \Driver\usbhub   nt!PopRequestCompletion

Maybe the AICharger(Charger plus) of the Asus is the problem, I will try disable it and see what happen. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 08, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
are you using latest version of there utilities , came out 11/2/12  , for Aicharger its version 2.0
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 08, 2012, 05:18:14 PM
ASUS motherboard utilities are awful, in my opinion. I've identified more than one serious memory leak, and had them malfunction on several occasions. In general, you are better off without them. Some of them intentionally run the system out of specs. That is good for benchmarking tests with ASUS motherboards, but not so good for practical use.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 08, 2012, 05:24:13 PM
Yes, I don't use any of them, anything to do with MB I do it in bios , might not be as easy to adjust but its done on hardware level , not software, where you need to load profiles and rely on software loading .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 08, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
Too bad I can't convince ASUS to include Process Lasso with their motherboards ;). That's long been a pipe dream.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 08, 2012, 06:32:34 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on December 08, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
Too bad I can't convince ASUS to include Process Lasso with their motherboards ;). That's long been a pipe dream.

Yes, that be tough one IMO, mainly because PL is more linked to OS than MB .

That said what might work is if you could get PL to be promoted by famous gamer, maybe they include it with there republic of gamers line .
It would be more of a marketing push than anything, but most of the software is anyway .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 08, 2012, 06:38:06 PM
Yea, I don't hold out much hope for it :o

Well, back to work - I'm almost done with basic memory priority support.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 09, 2012, 07:38:53 AM
Quote from: edkiefer on December 08, 2012, 01:30:39 PM
are you using latest version of there utilities , came out 11/2/12  , for Aicharger its version 2.0
Yup, download from the Asus support-Apps for Win 8-Asus USB Charger
It is Version V2.1.5, 2012.12.04.
I will uninstall it for a week, if there are more BSOD with the qiuckstart of win 8, it is the problem of Nvidia, and I can report to Nvidia.
If not.... I don't know how the Asus support for the software.

As I think it is the Aicharger problem, is because the BSOD is depend on the longest not responding one(if I were right), and normally the secondly graphic card in the laptop is idle.
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And ya, I has download many of Touchpad software, to find the better one. :o
If I download the newest one, it will cause the ATK(laptop FN key, the oldest driver(2009) in this computer :P) loss function to disable Touchpad, and I need the newest function, disable the Touchpad when typing. ;)
And how they can write the Power4Gear code into the Asus Touchpad...(it changing the minimum processor state to 100%, and reverse the battery/AC setting...)
Lucky I open the Event Viewer, and it is telling me which software is changing it. :)
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Just wanna ask, did enable the Ai charger in battery mode, will cause the bios not shutdown completely to detect and charge the USB, and reduce the battery power?
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And ya, marketing is important . ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 10, 2012, 01:50:37 AM
So it is crash again, the !poaction is showing 2 usb driver that windows itself, and this
2: kd> !irp fffffa8007340740
Irp is active with 4 stacks 2 is current (= 0xfffffa8007340858)
No Mdl: No System Buffer: Thread 00000000:  Irp stack trace. 
     cmd  flg cl Device   File     Completion-Context
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-00000000   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000
>[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa80081c0e40 00000000 fffff880051ee1d0-fffffa800bfb4010 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\ACPI nvlddmkm
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[ 16, 2]   0 e1 fffffa80069e0290 00000000 fffff803887a4310-fffffa800ce54dd0 Success Error Cancel pending
       \Driver\nvlddmkm nt!PopRequestCompletion
Args: 00000000 00000001 00000001 00000000
[  0, 0]   0  0 00000000 00000000 00000000-fffffa800ce54dd0   

Args: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000

It is the time to report it at Nvidia forum. :P
And I can install the AiCharger again. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 10, 2012, 02:10:32 AM
I have seen a lot of complaints about severe crashes and OS problems with Windows 8 Hybrids and Laptops. These include random BSODs and - especially - power management problems. One user reported his Hybrid as magically turning itself on (resume) from time to time.

Most likely, the issue is hardware drivers. It may take some time to iron out the kinks.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 10, 2012, 02:47:54 AM
Yup, I hope it is a driver issue too, as the fastboot function of the windows 8 is using the mini version of hibernate.
And lot of people is having issue with fastboot function enable.
It seen like many driver forgot how the hibernate works. ;D
And after the issue is fixed, windows 9 is out, prefect. 8)

But I hope the Nvidia can be fix faster, as windows 8 is getting more people using it, and more windows 8 switchable graphic card Hybrids/Laptop with Nvidia(610m LOL :o) is coming out.
So the windows 8 user will not crying BSOD!!!!! after 2-3 boot(2-3 days). ;D

If the problem is on the side of BIOS, we need to wait a long~~~~ time for the fix. :P
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The mini version of hibernate(fastboot) is good, faster start time with HDD, and SSD too.
just 15-20s(include BIOS initialization time) boot time, and can be faster after defrag the boot file together. :)
With just increase the shutdown time to 5-10s.(can be decrease with disable third-part services, update the driver)

And I wonder what the Microsoft do after getting the minidump that the user sending to them.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: nikkil on December 15, 2012, 02:18:18 PM
In my opinion, it's still to early too switch. I'll give it 6 more months.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 16, 2012, 05:16:13 AM
You can wait until Windows Blue(â'¨). ;D
But for who has a netbook, you can try on it. ;)
As it is a more reduced memory usage system.(still losing to dos ;D)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 28, 2012, 07:05:48 PM
After some week, the BSOD that I facing is complete(?) gone.
And I think it is fixed by a Windows Update, so remember to keep it up-to-date to prevent most of the BSOD. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 31, 2012, 03:50:49 AM
That's good to hear :). Every big release faces these problems, there is always vendor lag, but especially in drivers - ironically where it is most important. The largest issue is the fact that hardware companies have little incentive to update their older drivers. They'd prefer you buy a new model :o.

The new Windows Update is very aggressive at making sure you are forced to reboot to install updates, etc... using a whole screen notification with a mandate instead of a dismissive option.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 31, 2012, 06:32:25 AM
QuoteThe new Windows Update is very aggressive at making sure you are forced to reboot to install updates, etc... using a whole screen notification with a mandate instead of a dismissive option.
I don't saw this everytimes I update it, did you has a screenshots of it?

And ya, keep up-to-date is important. ;)
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The BIOS also update, and it update Graphic card BIOS, maybe it can prevent this problem (for the person without update) too.
And most people don't like windows update, they always say it causing BIOS. ;D
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QuoteThey'd prefer you buy a new model
But the problem is, the new model don't giving "BIG" performance/power consumption change.
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And wish you has a Happy New Year. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 31, 2012, 08:27:59 AM
Quote from: BenYeeHua on December 31, 2012, 06:32:25 AM
I don't saw this everytimes I update it, did you has a screenshots of it?

And ya, keep up-to-date is important. ;)
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The BIOS also update, and it update Graphic card BIOS, maybe it can prevent this problem (for the person without update) too.
And most people don't like windows update, they always say it causing BIOS. ;D
----But the problem is, the new model don't giving "BIG" performance/power consumption change.
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And wish you has a Happy New Year. ;)

Win8 is updating bios in MB and graphic card ,by default ?
I rather it doesn't do that in windows since its a low layer, Hardware level best done with no OS running .
I have never updated my graphic card bios and only generally do MB if there issue or the MB had very first version in it .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 31, 2012, 08:33:20 AM
Nope, I was manual update the BIOS, and this is a notebook, so the Graphic card bios is inside the MB BIOS.
And ya, I am going inside the BIOS and update it, not via WinFlash. ;)
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PS:Windows will never provide the BIOS as it has a bigger change to flash fail. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 31, 2012, 10:01:59 AM
ok, I understand .

On bios flash, if you get Dell or at least the one I got in 2005 there update app will install bios or recommend it like windows does with auto-updater . I never used it or allowed it so not sure how it does it (there bios are exe based) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 31, 2012, 10:21:13 AM
Yup, it is better that, don't use their auto-update.
After you has try their apps, will you using it for important thing like flash the BIOS? ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on December 31, 2012, 10:41:28 AM
Yes,  The nice thing with newer MB (Asus Z77) is you now can flash from within bios , from windows and from system off mode with USB stick in back of MB (flashback mode) .

So there many better options than the windows one .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on December 31, 2012, 11:46:52 AM
QuoteYes,  The nice thing with newer MB (Asus Z77) is you now can flash from within bios , from windows and from system off mode with USB stick in back of MB (flashback mode) .
I can doing it with M2A-VM(2007). ;D
And I wonder how they doing this on a Windows RT device. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on December 31, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
If you recall, way back when, there was a virus that would actually embed itself in some BIOSes by reflashing them. Back when EEPROM BIOSes were first released. That is why the practice of flashing from within a booted OS was nixed for a while, but is back now since BIOSes/UEFI are properly protected or signed with a public-key system. A simple checksum won't work because the BIOS can be so easily reverse engineered to extract the algorithm. A public-key signature can't [plausibly] be defeated with current technology though.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 01, 2013, 02:39:55 AM
I still remember, and this is why we has some dual-BIOS/dual-ROM motherboard. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: nikkil on January 13, 2013, 03:32:43 PM
I didn't even know that. Anyways, we have really gone far enough already.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 13, 2013, 11:29:29 PM
Quote from: nikkil on January 13, 2013, 03:32:43 PM
I didn't even know that. Anyways, we have really gone far enough already.
As always. ;D
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By looking the screenshots you can't judge the windows 8 is suitable for you or not.
You must try it yourself.
And after a few month with it, I can say it(metro) don't affect much. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on January 13, 2013, 11:42:34 PM
I don't even use Metro, except when mandatory. That is the real irony. It is just 'there'.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 14, 2013, 03:17:47 AM
Yup, it is too big/full screen, as I know, many android (phone) user are using "window" to watching anime while browsing. ;)
To making it more easy for "touch" are not too BIG until whole screen, it need to remember it is windows 8, and we has a big screen for it. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on January 15, 2013, 05:57:12 AM
The day I want to touch my screen will be the day I've made some major life changes. I hate fingerprints, I hate raising my hand. I hate holding a tablet (though like my Galaxy Note I). I still hate touch screens anywhere but on small, ultra-portable devices. The larger public may disagree, I know my wife would. They will just windex their screens (WARNING: don't do this do LCDs, or LED backlit LCDs) and be good with it. I should use my wife as a guinea pig. In fact, she is in some ways. She has an Amazon Kindle. She uses her ages old Netbook everyday instead, never uses the Kindle. Would she touch her netbook if it had a touch screen though? Well, yea, as I gotta admit - trackpads are annoying too.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 15, 2013, 12:58:23 PM
Ya, maybe they will provide a small touch screen at the up of the keyboard, between the laptop speaker? ;D
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And yes, I hate when I watching picture, playing game through the fingerprints, dust....
trackpads/touchpad is fine for me, because all the time I just using it to scrolling. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Hotrod on January 15, 2013, 01:10:48 PM
I HATE trackpads...I recommend a small mouse with a nano receiver as they are so small these days you barely notice them. With the right touchpad software it can be made to enable/disable the pad when you plug in the receiver. I sooooo wish they would get the fact that most of us don't really want touchscreens everywhere. They should be optional, not default. Unfortunately the developers at the conference made it clear that they are pushing this on us whether we want it or not. :(
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 15, 2013, 04:38:53 PM
Because they only see most of people?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Hotrod on January 15, 2013, 06:53:10 PM
More likely because they only see the potential for $ from new technology on the market. Plain and simple greed. >:(
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on January 19, 2013, 12:40:24 PM
Check out StartIsBack .. hxyp://startisback.com . Rarely do I recommend someone else's work.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Hotrod on January 19, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
This looks really good. I am very much Anti-Windows 8, but this makes me begin to consider it as an option. The only thing I am wary of is if/when Microsoft decides to cock-block this as they tried to do previously.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 19, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
Quote from: Hotrod on January 19, 2013, 06:14:42 PM
This looks really good. I am very much Anti-Windows 8, but this makes me begin to consider it as an option. The only thing I am wary of is if/when Microsoft decides to cock-block this as they tried to do previously.
Ya, and I will like to see what Microsoft will do for the windows blue(9) when they get so many user hate the metro.
Free upgrade?
2 start menu?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: hanemach_gt on January 20, 2013, 05:16:57 AM
Quote from: BenYeeHua on January 19, 2013, 11:02:41 PM
Ya, and I will like to see what Microsoft will do for the windows blue(9) when they get so many user hate the metro.
Free upgrade?
2 start menu?

It may be something BenYeeHua proposes, but, in my opinion, MS will rather want us to pay for that *upgrade*.
They will pre-install Windows 8 on most devices and make users see that Windows 9 is going to have Start Menu back, then the users will probably upgrade to Windows 9 and give more $$$ in order to have holy peace.

I can't understand the problem - why doesn't MS offer two installations: Metro for mobiles and old plain with Start Menu for PCs? People will migrate sooner or later anyway, why doing it so forcefully by cutting SM off completely? When somebody can see others having something *cool*, they will give it a try and finally buy it, who wouldn't like to have Internet, games, social networks, documents [...] all in one place?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: hanemach_gt on January 20, 2013, 05:22:59 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on September 02, 2012, 12:13:12 AM
Screencast of a Windows 8 file copy operation, to get the full effect ... a little zoomed, but I'm not gonna spend all day on it ;p.

http://bitsum.com/video/windows8-file-copy.avi (http://bitsum.com/video/windows8-file-copy.avi)

I didn't use to observe this thread diligently enough, this one is really, sorry for a stupid word, sweet.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on January 20, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
Quote from: hanemach_gt on January 20, 2013, 05:22:59 AM
I didn't use to observe this thread diligently enough, this one is really, sorry for a stupid word, sweet.

Yes, I could never understand why MS didn't have 2 versions, one for desktop and maybe laptops then one for tablets etc with touch screens .

There trying to cover to much of product area with one OS .

Now there cranking up the prices too .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 20, 2013, 10:20:37 AM
Quote from: edkiefer on January 20, 2013, 08:56:38 AM
Yes, I could never understand why MS didn't have 2 versions, one for desktop and maybe laptops then one for tablets etc with touch screens .

There trying to cover to much of product area with one OS .

Now there cranking up the prices too .
Ya, and the news about Windows RT to running the x86 apps. :o
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on January 24, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
To add to Windows 8 annoyances... it is easy to inadvertently have a file opened in Metro, causing it to lock the file. You won't notice while in the traditional shell. The same is true vice-versa.

For instance, the other day I was 'downloading to PDF' from Google Docs. Well, the Adobe PDF reader, a Metro app, would hold a PDF open in Metro when I viewed it. If I wanted to replace that file, I had to switch to Metro, close the file in the PDF viewer, then update the file.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on January 25, 2013, 03:01:49 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on January 24, 2013, 08:04:01 PM
To add to Windows 8 annoyances... it is easy to inadvertently have a file opened in Metro, causing it to lock the file. You won't notice while in the traditional shell. The same is true vice-versa.

For instance, the other day I was 'downloading to PDF' from Google Docs. Well, the Adobe PDF reader, a Metro app, would hold a PDF open in Metro when I viewed it. If I wanted to replace that file, I had to switch to Metro, close the file in the PDF viewer, then update the file.
Strange...
My first time is the windows ask me wanna to use which software to open it, at the upper right corner.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on February 05, 2013, 12:41:36 AM
Quote from: BenYeeHua on January 25, 2013, 03:01:49 AM
My first time is the windows ask me wanna to use which software to open it, at the upper right corner.

I am curious how many people reach up and touch their non-touch LCDs when they see those ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on February 05, 2013, 01:01:59 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on February 05, 2013, 12:41:36 AM
I am curious how many people reach up and touch their non-touch LCDs when they see those ;)
Not me. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Phil on February 19, 2013, 10:17:51 AM
I have Windows 8 Pro x64 on my laptop (upgraded from Windows 7) and the overall schematics of the OS is fantastic. Juxtaposing Desktop / Modern UI apps can sometimes be an nuisance but the added enhancements such as the revamped Task Manager to the file ribbon in Explorer are nice. People who say they want the Start Menu back, uh... it's already there! Just a simple hover on the left edge of the screen or clicking the Windows key and viola, you're in the Start screen. But I can understand people's gripes for that change and others due to what someone stated earlier in this thread, which are habits.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on February 19, 2013, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: Phil on February 19, 2013, 10:17:51 AM
I have Windows 8 Pro x64 on my laptop (upgraded from Windows 7) and the overall schematics of the OS is fantastic. Juxtaposing Desktop / Modern UI apps can sometimes be an nuisance but the added enhancements such as the revamped Task Manager to the file ribbon in Explorer are nice. People who say they want the Start Menu back, uh... it's already there! Just a simple hover on the left edge of the screen or clicking the Windows key and viola, you're in the Start screen. But I can understand people's gripes for that change and others due to what someone stated earlier in this thread, which are habits.
Yes, they hate the Full screen. ;)
They want to see other apps showing its states when opening other software via Start Menu. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on February 19, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
Yea, it's all about the flip of the screen for me. I suppose it makes sense to do that for most users who are launching some new application and will be totally emersed in it. However, for me, having several things running, I may very well be launching something to compliment a program already in use. The flip of the screen is a distraction to me.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on February 19, 2013, 04:40:15 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Collake on February 19, 2013, 04:26:44 PM
Yea, it's all about the flip of the screen for me. I suppose it makes sense to do that for most users who are launching some new application and will be totally emersed in it. However, for me, having several things running, I may very well be launching something to compliment a program already in use. The flip of the screen is a distraction to me.
And this.

Working on Laptop, someone come and looking at the laptop.
Click Start Button.
All he/she see is just Start Menu.
Finish. ;)
The boss key don't need anymore, except he/she know how to using Windows 8. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 09, 2013, 03:13:13 AM
This is what I can show when they think Windows 8 Fastboot has some issues. 8)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 08:23:55 AM
how is that suppose to read ?
days, hours, min , seconds
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 09, 2013, 09:51:06 AM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 08:23:55 AM
how is that suppose to read ?
days, hours, min , seconds
Correct. ;)
I am very surprised that only 2GB is used after boot, it look like Windows itself don't has heavy memory leak after the shutdown(It is a Mini Hibernate for the fastboot.) :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 10:12:14 AM
I guess that depends on whats installed an running .

My Win7 uses around 1.10GB at desktop , 2.2GB if Palemoon running (30+ tabs ) .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 09, 2013, 01:15:22 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 10:12:14 AM
I guess that depends on whats installed an running .

My Win7 uses around 1.10GB at desktop , 2.2GB if Palemoon running (30+ tabs ) .
Yup, but you forgot the windows file cache that don't show in Memory usage. ;)
It always make every software/browser smooth as the cache(picture etc) keep in the memory.
After starting a game, and close it, the windows file cache will increase much, so increase the Ram and don't shutdown the computer too much will keep it snappy(if the cache don't miss) when you are facing loading screen. :)
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Just 2.3GB with Nightly running, maybe give it a restart to check how much memory leak after a week+5days. :D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 01:23:00 PM
Yes, your right .
I am not a fan of sleep/hibernation (energy saving modes) so I normally shut system down at night unless DL'ing some big .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 09, 2013, 04:27:11 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 09, 2013, 01:23:00 PM
Yes, your right .
I am not a fan of sleep/hibernation (energy saving modes) so I normally shut system down at night unless DL'ing some big .
Sleep/Hibernate will be useful for some jobs that can't pause, close the program, and continue like converting. ;)
And yes, many people let the computer download at midnight, so the download don't bite your resource for browsing/watching etc for the normal time. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 10, 2013, 03:58:02 AM
Just restart and found today is another Windows Update day. ;)
Only get 1.9GB memory usage, so the windows itself only has 0.1GB memory leak, not so bad.
I think this is because it making the feature into services, so when it shutdown, it stop all the services, and the leak gone. :)
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lol, my windows update history is gone, as I just using the troubleshooter.
But I still got the installed date in the Programs and Features. ;D
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So I just disable the service that boot Android emulator, and installed Windows Update.
After Boot finish-1.7GB
After a few seconds-Drop to 1.5GB, then rise to 1.6GB.
Start Nightly-1.9GB
Not so bad. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 10, 2013, 06:57:54 AM
Wow, so the update has reduce some many memory usage. :o
Microsoft really want to getting back the tablet market.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
are you running tests with all app shutdown, just windows running  .

OT:I wonder when MS will fix that platform update they did for win7 and IE10 , seems it affected many users with various vid cards .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 10, 2013, 03:39:10 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
are you running tests with all app shutdown, just windows running  .
Nope, I am running the same startup software, except that BlueStacks Android Service-0.5GB memory usage.
So I need -0.5GB for the result before windows update.
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So yup, 2.0-0.5=1.5GB for the 1 week+5 days.
1.9-0.5=1.4GB for restart, before windows update.
And after windows update, it is been tested without the BlueStacks Android Service.
So yup, I get a few MB less after windows update, it can be count as memory leak or human error.
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Still higher than your Windows 7, will use some time to find out which is the memory killer. ;)
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After a few restart of the services, and some Asus software.
Yup, still the same, time to kill some process. ;D
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I am back, 1.9GB with same software(now), compare to 2GB with same software(before killing the process). :)
And yes, one of the bloatware software is the anti-virus. ;)
Killing the software and services until leaving the services that need for basic and networking, I can get 1.1GB. ;D
A restart of the computer giving me 1.4GB, and I shutdown and bootup, 1.3GB, before the anti-virus loading any database(yup, it delay the database loading, which it means don't scan the boot file when boot).

TL;DR:Yes, human error ;D
Maybe some of them are right?
They say windows will decide how many memory will be used, based on how many GB of Ram. :)

But, I think just using MSE as the anti-virus, don't use other anti-virus and this is enough to reduce the memory usage. :)
QuoteOT:I wonder when MS will fix that platform update they did for win7 and IE10 , seems it affected many users with various vid cards .
You means that DirectX update, right?
They cancel the push, as it causing so many software stop working properly.
Firefox, SweetFX for directx 9 game, RedeonPro, D3DOverrider and more.
For windows 8, only D3DOverrider stop working properly.
I don't get any news about it, so I think they are trying to improve the compatibility(←This word is so hard to remember :P) before push it again?

For who has that update installed, I will say, uninstall it manually!!!
It just stop install the update from windows update, but not uninstall it automatically. ::)
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Ya, I found some windows 8 update that interesting.
How to force automatic restarts after important updates in Windows 8
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2835627
Inconsistent options for power settings on certain Windows 8 or Windows RT-based devices - loled for this. ;D
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2823250
USB devices stop responding in Windows 8 or Windows Server 2012
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2821819
And this
Update that resolves stability issues in Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012-based computers that have Atom processers
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2813298
QuoteYou experience stability issues when you are running Windows 8 or Windows Server 2012 on a computer that has one or more Intel Atom processers.
So they finally know to list install the big patch will doing/fixing what for my computer.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2822241

PS:Who will buying a Netbook with more than 1 Intel Atom processers. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
that looks good, I don't know if you can get exact repeatability as windows caches so much stuff .

yeh ,this platform update

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2670838
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 10, 2013, 06:38:38 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 04:27:33 PM
that looks good, I don't know if you can get exact repeatability as windows caches so much stuff .

yeh ,this platform update

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/2670838
Ya, I start thinking that, before push the patch, did Microsoft really testing that patch with popular software like Firefox, chrome etc, which using hardware accelerate. :)
And why that issues don't happen with Windows 8?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
I think they pushed it so IE10 would work in win7 . win8 comes out of box with IE 10 ??

It now seems like they are just pushing it to be fixed on other dev's , makers of vid and software .

You would think if they put it in windows update it be solid ,tested patch/update .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 11, 2013, 04:33:35 AM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 10, 2013, 06:58:29 PM
I think they pushed it so IE10 would work in win7 . win8 comes out of box with IE 10 ??

It now seems like they are just pushing it to be fixed on other dev's , makers of vid and software .

You would think if they put it in windows update it be solid ,tested patch/update .
So, I think they only tested with IE 10, and say, it works!
And push the patch. ;D
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Just kidding, but some of them getting more stable from that patch(I forgot what stable they get), just it broken for some software too, and that is our daily use browser, Firefox/Chrome/Opera.
IE 10 not our daily browser. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on April 11, 2013, 08:03:44 AM
yes, I rarely use IE10 , only if FF has issue with pages displayed , which is rare for me .
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 11, 2013, 02:27:32 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on April 11, 2013, 08:03:44 AM
yes, I rarely use IE10 , only if FF has issue with pages displayed , which is rare for me .
Ya, and IE10 is easy to crash for running HTML5 hardware accelerate. ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 18, 2013, 02:00:10 PM
I know this is off-topic, but if you think it is better for split as a new topic, just do it. ;)
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This is happen suddenly, I don't know what just happen, but I saw the system process just become a CPU eater, and I can't do anything to stop it except shutdown or restart. :o
This is what will happen, if there are system fault, you are out of control to fix/stop it.
And I am buffering the video, that too bad for me. :P

PS:I just remove the driver name from the picture.
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Ok, I found who is the gunner, Nightly+HTML5 Video with Audio+Flash Player? :o
Let see I can saw him again or not. ;D
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No luck for that, but I also don't want that luck. ;D
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lol, I face other issue, the window go through/on front of the taskbar.
But just fixed it by just switching the windows. ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 21, 2013, 07:08:46 PM
I found a windows 8 bug.
When you are using some software to shutdown like, after download finish, shutdown the computer.

It really shutdown the computer!!! ;D
The windows forget I has enabled Fast startup, which means a fake shutdown that using hibernate and store only the part of system data into the file.
QuoteFast startup is a setting that helps your PC start up faster after shutdown. Windows does this by saving system info to a file upon shutdown. When you start your PC again, Windows uses that system info to resume your PC instead of restarting it.

Notes
•The fast startup setting doesn’t apply to Restart. You need to shut down and then start your PC again for fast startup to take effect.
•Fast startup is turned on by default in Windows.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on April 23, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
So you're saying that when third-party applications invoke the ExitWindowsEx API, the shutdown doesn't utilize the fast startup mechanism?
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on April 23, 2013, 04:11:11 PM
Quote from: Support on April 23, 2013, 10:49:28 AM
So you're saying that when third-party applications invoke the ExitWindowsEx API, the shutdown doesn't utilize the fast startup mechanism?
Yes, I am using Free Download Manager to Shut down after finish download.
Then I go to sleep, and the morning I found the boot become slow, then I check the start up time, 00:01:xx.
You can try for it with Process Lasso?
I wonder did it affect Process Lasso shut down function or not. :)
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I also has a BSOD just a hour ago, maybe will try to debug and see that is windows 8 issues or not.
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Nope, not windows 8 issues. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: hanemach_gt on May 30, 2013, 03:59:13 AM
Quote from: Support on January 19, 2013, 12:40:24 PM
Check out StartIsBack .. hxyp://startisback.com . Rarely do I recommend someone else's work.

It may be unnecessary soon, Microsoft is going to restore the Start button to Windows 8.1.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/29/windows-8-1-to-get-a-start-button-because-windows-is-dumb-without-one/
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on May 30, 2013, 04:24:57 AM
Quote from: hanemach_gt on May 30, 2013, 03:59:13 AM
It may be unnecessary soon, Microsoft is going to restore the Start button to Windows 8.1.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/05/29/windows-8-1-to-get-a-start-button-because-windows-is-dumb-without-one/

Nice ;). Thanks for the news! Kind of crazy that they did it to start with, though at least they finally swallowed their pride on this one.
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on May 30, 2013, 07:28:55 AM
A start Button or a classics start Menu?
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Yup, start Button only.

And I hope the transparent of the Metro Menu also provided, not just desktop wallpaper. :o
So that one of the classics start menu feature(you can see what's other software is showing/doing as it only taking some part of the screen) can be "see" through the Metro Menu. :)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Hotrod on June 03, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
Top New Windows 8.1 Features

http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/top-new-windows-81-features
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on June 04, 2013, 04:45:47 AM
Quote from: Hotrod on June 03, 2013, 07:12:10 PM
Top New Windows 8.1 Features

http://windowsitpro.com/windows-8/top-new-windows-81-features
Thank for that, but did IE wanna to catch up Firefox and Chrome version number? ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: Jeremy Collake on June 05, 2013, 02:11:06 AM
Maybe I should go-Chrome on my version numbers ... ;)
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on June 05, 2013, 07:16:10 AM
I think FF an chromes version are just silly as there going to fast on version # that should only be for major changes they should be doing more decimal version # .
But for marketing I guess it looks good  ;D
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: edkiefer on June 05, 2013, 01:45:38 PM
new vid preview of 8.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQb5caeSo00&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Windows 8 Screenshots
Post by: BenYeeHua on June 05, 2013, 06:15:43 PM
Quote from: edkiefer on June 05, 2013, 07:16:10 AM
I think FF an chromes version are just silly as there going to fast on version # that should only be for major changes they should be doing more decimal version # .
But for marketing I guess it looks good  ;D
Yup, not bad for marketing, but bad for after a few years, Firefox 50!!! ;D